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        <description>For whatever reason, I am kind of interested in this beast of a knife.

[img]http://spydercollector.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/spyderco_amsterdammeet2014_productionprototype_k2.jpg[/img]

Big old ti-framelock with a 4.5 inch, 3.5mm thick 10V blade.

Some commentary from the maker on what the knife is designed to do:

[quote=&quot;faridknives&quot;]I designed the K2 to be a very high performance tool for all applications, but it is 63RC and needs to be respected, as CPM-10v is not stainless there are applications like cutting certain fruits which one would choose a stainless blade for, other than that this tool is pure high performance.
Thanks[/quote]

Interesting response. Considering the blade shape, it might make a decent hunting knife if it is sanely ground.</description>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Who am I again? And if your not you, how can you be all of us? And I thought you told us what to do. Wait, now I&#039;m confused.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>jasonstone20</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 20:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I bet Farid I just thrilled to death that Spydreco sent you your very own personalize K2. Lol!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Gavin S.</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Stuart Ackerman</strong><br />
His tone of voice is more tolerable...now...</div></blockquote>
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Farid never has an issue when there is praise. As a favorite quote of mine &quot;Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm. &quot; It is how a maker/manufacturer reacts to criticism/questioning that is relevant.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2014 19:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ His tone of voice is more tolerable...now...<br />
I want to see other K2s in use by a myriad of users to get a consensus if the large size is a winner...or a hindrance...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Stuart Ackerman</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2014 23:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Ad copy from current Spyderco promotion :<br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />` Farid Mehr is a British custom knifemaker who is best known for his hollow-handled fixed-blade survival knives and heavy-duty, hard-use folding knives. A full-time maker, he also crafts custom-made leather and Kydex® sheaths and makes a variety of other custom knives to meet his customers’ needs and interests.<br />
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Strength is the most prized quality of most of Farid’s knife designs, so his folders tend to be large and boast stainless steel or titanium handle scales and Reeve Integral Locks (R.I.L.). He also has a penchant for using exotic blade steels with reputations for edge holding and toughness. One of his most popular models is his K2 folder, which is slightly smaller and lighter than many of his other designs without sacrificing the key qualities that make his knives unique. It was therefore the ideal choice for his first collaboration with Spyderco.<br />
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The K2 is a generously sized folding knife designed to withstand the rigors of serious cutting chores. Just shy of 10 inches (254mm) overall, it features a 4.53-inch (115mm) blade ground from CPM® 10V®—the first high-vanadium tool steel made using Crucible® steel’s Powder Metallurgy process. CPM 10V’s toughness and machining characteristics are comparable to D2 and M2, but it’s impressive 9.75% vanadium content gives it extreme wear resistance. In a knife blade, this translates to superior edge retention—a highly desirable quality for a hard-use folder.<br />
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To balance the strength of its broad Bowie-style blade, the K2 features a full-flat grind that tapers over its entire width to a keen PlainEdge™ cutting edge. The blade’s spine is also precisely radiused near the handle to provide a comfortable bearing point for the thumb during demanding cutting chores. An amazing synthesis of strength and cutting performance, the K2’s blade also features Spyderco’s Trademark Round Hole™ for positive one-handed opening.<br />
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The K2’s handle is also a study in strength. It consists of two extremely stout scales machined from solid titanium. The reverse scale forms the foundation of the knife’s sturdy Reeve Integral Lock (R.I.L.) and faithfully includes Farid’s signature serpentine cut on the lock bar. The lock bar’s relief cut is also made on the outside of the handle scale to create a straight-line force vector to the blade’s tang ramp for maximum lock strength. Like all well-made R.I.L. knives, the K2 to is designed so a firm grip on the handle actually reinforces the function of the lock and greatly reduces the chances of unintentional lock release during use. Despite the K2’s impressive size, it is easily and conveniently carried by virtue of a stainless steel pocket clip that positions the knife for right-side, tip-down carry. In this position, the knife is drawn pivot-end first, leaving your hand perfectly positioned for a smooth, one-handed opening. For users who prefer extra security or enjoy accessorizing their knives, the K2’s handle also includes a generously sized lanyard hole for easy attachment of fobs or lanyards.<br />
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Spyderco’s K2 combines the durability and heft that characterize Farid Mehr’s custom knives with the refined details that define Spyderco’s commitment to reliable high performance.</div></blockquote>]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>cKc</strong><br />
Not much point making a promotional thread on a spyderco forum about a knife in a steel that I&#039;m not selling.</div></blockquote>
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Rationality isn&#039;t a real strong point in conspiracy arguments. <br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Old Spice</strong><br />
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When he says 10v isn&#039;t brittle what is he comparing it to pure cementite?!</div></blockquote>
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He isn&#039;t comparing it to anything, he doesn&#039;t use terms in the metallurgical sense, he uses them in a very vague lay usage. If you can cut up a few cardboard boxes or rope with a 0.010&quot;/15 dps edge and the knife doesn&#039;t have visible damage he doesn&#039;t consider it brittle. Note that even ceramic will do that so he simply doesn&#039;t consider any material brittle because his standard for toughness is extremely low.<br />
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This perspective is pretty common in the industry. For example a few months back there were a few people who challenged Mike/Kyley&#039;s video&#039;s about the way they grind knives as SmokEater and a few others noted that hollow ground blades with 0.035/20 dps edges cut perfectly fine. They simply have very low standards for cutting ability and that kind of geometry satisfies them perfectly fine.<br />
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There is no issue with this of course, the problem is when you generalize without noting the constraints. <br />
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For example I can sharpen a knife on the red brick or the Naniwa Superstone 400, and if I was limited to the brick I would not be overly concerned. However this doesn&#039;t mean in general I would argue that actual waterstones have no functional advantages. That is the problem and that is where the hype and misinformation start to set in.  If you can say something like 10V isn&#039;t brittle then you can just as easily say 420J2 has high abrasive wear resistance as both of those are the same relative ranking in cutlery steels. <br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>KWB</strong><br />
English is rather funny like that. Where I am from to call someone boy in the manner you referenced is to speak as if you are above them,  And usually as a direct insult. </div></blockquote>
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Yeah, it doesn&#039;t mean that here, it means more like &quot;buddy&quot; it is a generic term which will be uses even for both sexes and of equal status (as in one old dude will say it to another old dude). It is very easy to insult people across large cultural differences if they judge how you act by their culture.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>CliffStamp</strong><br />
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Spyderco thread : [<a href="http://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=64959"  rel="nofollow">www.spyderco.com</a>]<br />
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which references a Farid 121REX blade. Is that showing some kind of personal attack on Farid, I can&#039;t see how you can interpret it that way but there are people who actually believe that entire thing was a set up by me, Kyley and Old Spice to promote Kyley&#039;s knife.</div></blockquote>
Not much point making a promotional thread on a spyderco forum about a knife in a steel that I&#039;m not selling. Lol]]></description>
            <dc:creator>cKc</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2014 08:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I&#039;m not your pal, buddy!<br />
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Also Ankerson is a gem of a quote mine. <br />
<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Ankerson</strong><br />
Well 10V is a tool steel 1st and for most and assuming a proper HT and tempering process it&#039;s not chippy or brittle.</div></blockquote>
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When he says 10v isn&#039;t brittle what is he comparing it to pure cementite?!]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Old Spice</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2014 02:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ English is rather funny like that. Where I am from to call someone boy in the manner you referenced is to speak as if you are above them,  And usually as a direct insult. <br />
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I understand why he is getting upset but I think he doesn&#039;t like to be questioned in general.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>KWB</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ I think he thought I was saying something like his English was so poor it had to be his second language which wasn&#039;t the case. I was noting that technical issues are difficult to translate even if you do speak a language very well. English is my native language and I still mix up technical terms from time to time because there is so much jibberish in it as everyone wants to make up special terms for everything. Often times you have to use different terms depending on who you are talking to to refer to the same thing.<br />
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I am actually curious what he is so offended by, maybe it is a cultural thing. I insulted a guy in India once when I noted his sibling was pretty when he showed me a picture (exact words). He inferred it as I was making some kind of lewd remark but I didn&#039;t mean anything by it. That kind of thing is said in passing here and doesn&#039;t mean you are attracted to the individual personally or are making an offer. People say &quot;boy&quot; a lot here as well which freaks some people out, like &quot;come over here boy&quot;, or &quot;pick that up boy&quot;. It is pronounced more like bye, but some people hear boy and get a bit insulted.  <br />
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In any case if he doesn&#039;t want to dialogue, his loss, doesn&#039;t cost me anything that he doesn&#039;t want to learn.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 18:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>CliffStamp</strong><br />Read his latest rant</div></blockquote>
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Just did... man, he really doesn&#039;t like you. All you did was ask him a question. I thought my post was much more damning and he did mention me at all. You will just have to bear the burden of fame/infamy Cliff (:P)<br />
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btw... you can actually see the steam coming out of his ears in his posts when he talks about you getting one of his knives for &quot;free.&quot;]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Chum</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 17:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Chum</strong><br />
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That never entered into my thought process, and I wouldn&#039;t have made these comments if it had. I almost posted something similar on the Spyderco forum, but I figured it would just rile people up and no good would have come of it. Glad I didn&#039;t.<br />
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However, if he does understand the questions, then I stand by my assumed translations. He is either ignorant or dishonest. I&#039;m not sure how he could misinterpret the hunting question.</div></blockquote>
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Read his latest rant, he actually found my defense of him in the above to be degrading, your arguement he didn&#039;t have any problem with. I don&#039;t think it can be more clear that he is interpreting things based on who writes them, not what is said. <br />
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In any case, if a user acted towards a maker like Farid acts towards a user then the response would be very different. It is unfortunate that Spyderco does collaborations with people like that vs people like Mike, Jeremy, Kyley, etc. . <br />
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But I can understand why, the knives will sell - I just find it a bit sad that you have to resort to that to make money, as Kevin Cashen has shown, you don&#039;t need to in order to be successful even on the highest level.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2014 14:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Bugout Bill</strong><br />
So high carbide steel is useful on soft, abrasive materials, correct?</div></blockquote>
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Where it is useful is exactly the question of interest. In general you will find high carbide steels to have high performance when :<br />
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-your requirement for sharpness is low<br />
-the cutting is very low impact<br />
-there is no significant flexing<br />
-requirements for cutting ability are low<br />
-the material is abrasive <br />
-there is no concern about machinability/grindability<br />
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Now does it make any sense at all to simply take that and generalize to &quot;high performance&quot; or &quot;high edge retention&quot; or in any way make some kind of generalization of 10V vs another blade steel. <br />
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All steels are high performance at something, the critical question is what and does that what actually translate into high performance for a particular application. <br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br /> Is this low strain testing?</div></blockquote>
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That is actually a materials testing specification. When you measure abrasive wear it can be determined when the strain rate is high or when it is low. When Crucible first made a push for 3V they noted that in many uses it would have less wear than much higher carbide steels. However like most promotion it is argued in exclusion. <br />
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In general (I am simplifying) when an abrasive grinds into a steel there is an initial impact of contact and then ploughing and fracture starts as the abrasive cuts a channel into the steel. How much ploughing (deformation) vs how much fracture is dependent on the steel and how hard the abrasive makes contact with the steel.<br />
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Hence you can have a steel have high or low abrasion resistance depending on how hard you hit it with the abrasive. In very high strain rate testing, S7 can have higher abrasion resistance than D2 simply because the wear is taking place by fracture and not ploughing due to the strain rate.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Cliff: So high carbide steel is useful on soft, abrasive materials, correct? Is this low strain testing?<br />
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I was trying to make a wider point about internet knife experts as well.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Bugout Bill</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Bugout Bill</strong><br />
Cliff: <br />
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In regards to edge retention, 10V does have high abrasive wear resistance. Correct?</div></blockquote>
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It only has high abrasive wear resistance in low strain rate testing. It doesn&#039;t even have high abrasive wear in general. Even no cases does high abrasion resistance equate to high edge retention, in fact in many cases it can lower it though usually indirectly. As an example :<br />
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[<a href="https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?3,34787"  rel="nofollow">oldforum.beyondt01micron.com</a>]<br />
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Note the 10V type steel there (k390) has among the lowest edge retention. There are many other examples, see the work Chris has done for example comparing various steels and of course Alvin and Roman. <br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong></strong><br />
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You said among the lowest, it isn&#039;t <b>the</b> lowest.</div></blockquote>
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The only steels which are more brittle would be 15V, Maxamet, 121REX, etc. . If you can&#039;t call it brittle when it has lower toughness than the vast majority of cutlery steels then you can&#039;t say it has high wear resistance for the same reason.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ Cliff: <br />
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In regards to edge retention, 10V does have high abrasive wear resistance. Correct?<br />
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You said among the lowest, it isn&#039;t <b>the</b> lowest.<br />
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You are correct on the final point.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Bugout Bill</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Bugout Bill</strong><br />
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-He ain&#039;t wrong.</div></blockquote>
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He isn&#039;t correct :<br />
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-the edge retention isn&#039;t higher, those kinds of statements show a complete lack of understanding of edge retention<br />
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-if it isn&#039;t brittle then what is a brittle steel, it has among the lowest impact toughness of any cutlery steel used<br />
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-if you are not using the knife for prying what is the purpose of the stock thinkness<br />
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and so on.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
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            <description><![CDATA[ This is why Ankerson is a major figure in the internet knife world:<br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Ankerson</strong><br />Anything you would want to cut with a knife using a knife as a knife not as a pry bar, cold chisel, screwdriver or any other type of gross abuse. Not exactly a brittle steel, we are talking about a folder here not a 1/4&quot; thick heavy duty fixed blade that&#039;s has pry bar geometry. Although 10V can be used in those types of knives if one wants, would be overkill for those types of uses though as there are cheaper steels that are easier to work with and easier to get.<br />
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So if someone wants a folder that will hold and edge for an extremely long time compared to the more normal lower alloy steels and likes the K2 than it would be a win.<br />
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Without having on in hand I can&#039;t say more, but I do know a lot about CPM 10V (A11) and it&#039;s attributes.<br />
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Actually there is a custom maker that will be making a large thick field knife in 10V that I will be testing in the future, I will be beating it like I did all the other heavy duty knives in the past. :D</div></blockquote>
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-He isn&#039;t saying anything particularly hyperbole laden or overly emotional manner.<br />
-He ain&#039;t wrong.<br />
-He provides a reasonable analysis of the steel&#039;s advantages and disadvantages.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Bugout Bill</dc:creator>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35338#msg-35338</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>CliffStamp</strong><br />
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As an aside, this forum isn&#039;t going to become a place where people turn to make criticisms of makers in some kind of exclusive private club. I have no issue with criticisms, but if you are going to make those arguments then you really need to make them in the areas where the makers/manufacturers can see them and respond. If you get banned for that then there is no issue with making them here, but this won&#039;t become some kind of private/exclusive maker pin cushion. If you are not willing to criticize someone directly, please don&#039;t do it here unless you really have a good reason (like banning, harassment, etc.)</div></blockquote>
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To clarify this, my point was that the goal of this forum is to be a place where we learn, if we don&#039;t ask the questions where the people of interest can&#039;t see them then we are removing a chance to learn and most people do that not to learn but to rant for various reasons, and this isn&#039;t intended to be that kind of forum. However in reflection based on a discussion with a user here and a moderator, given the response from Farid and the general tone of the thread in question on Spyderco&#039;s forum, it isn&#039;t unreasonable for someone to post here rather than there as it isn&#039;t reasonable to say someone has to endure that kind of response as while I find it trivial not everyone may.<br />
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What I would ask is that if you are going to make a complaint here than you make some effort to let the other party know unless they have no interest in it, or the response would be expected to be hostile based on past events. <br />
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<blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>KWB</strong><br />
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As an aside him saying about Cliff ripping on him, who cares?  Cliff states what things are and his perspective.</div></blockquote>
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Kyle, in many cases what people like Farid are responding to is not what I said but what other people have told him I have said/done. Just ask around, you can get told some pretty extreme stories. What I actually say about Farid and knives/makers in general can be see here :<br />
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Spyderco thread : [<a href="http://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=64959"  rel="nofollow">www.spyderco.com</a>]<br />
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which references a Farid 121REX blade. Is that showing some kind of personal attack on Farid, I can&#039;t see how you can interpret it that way but there are people who actually believe that entire thing was a set up by me, Kyley and Old Spice to promote Kyley&#039;s knife.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35314#msg-35314</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I think you summed it up, he likes the brut de forge, so the science in the design is secondary...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Stuart Ackerman</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 05:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35311#msg-35311</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Stuart Ackerman</strong><br />
The weird ricasso is because his design has the stop pin differently placed compared to the Spyderco version...and yes, the Spy version looks cleaner...</div></blockquote>
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My question was more about why anyone would design a knife that way. It wastes the portion of the blade that gives the most leverage and there isn&#039;t even a finger rest to show for it. With a finger choil the user gets something in return for losing some cutting length. No disrespect intended to Farid, but it&#039;s a bad design if one of our goals is anything related to performance. It also looks bad, so there isn&#039;t even aesthetic appeal to fall back on to explain the design choice. Additionally the pitted finish is ugly. It&#039;s a poor imitation/reinterpretation of a brut de forge finish. 10V, Rex-121 and other steels were obviously not hammer forged, so the brut de forge look is out of place and smacks of laziness, as if he were too lazy to simply finish a satin grind on the flats. That pitted finish also greatly reduces corrosion resistance, which is a concern on a knife that&#039;s going to get used (assuming his knives get used). Last but not least the saber grind is inefficient for cutting and again looks lazy with that pitted finish.  <br />
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The Spyderco collaboration fixes several major problems with the K2:<br />
1. The wasted space in the ricasso is reduced to a much smaller amount so leverage is increased. <br />
2. The inefficient saber grind is changed out for a full flat grind, again increasing cutting efficiency. <br />
3. The stupid and out of place brut de forge imitation is removed in favor of a clean satin finish, increasing aesthetic appeal and increasing corrosion resistance on the non-stainless steel used for the blade.<br />
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So what we&#039;re left with is a product that is not only cheaper than the original, but has design features implemented to increase performance...and those design choices make the overall product more aesthetically appealing. I look at the two knives and it&#039;s like looking at the 1st draft of an essay versus a polished final version.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>fanglekai</dc:creator>
            <category>When you can&#039;t have a lightsabre</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 04:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35310#msg-35310</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Bugout Bill</strong><br />
Gurl, that&#039;s throwing shade right there.</div></blockquote>
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I never thought I would hear that on this forum.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>dragonetti</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35306#msg-35306</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ The weird ricasso is because his design has the stop pin differently placed compared to the Spyderco version...and yes, the Spy version looks cleaner...]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Stuart Ackerman</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 02:26:14 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35302#msg-35302</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ Ignoring the steel, I like the Spyderco design better than the original. Look at the where the blade edge starts on the custom, and compare that with the Spyderco version:<br />
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<img src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974381/2014/283920-farid-k2-framelock-in-cpm-rex-121-left-friendly.jpg" class="bbcode" border="0" /><br />
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<img src="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9974381/2014/spyderco_amsterdammeet2014_productionprototype_k2.jpg" class="bbcode" border="0" /><br />
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The custom one has a weird ricasso. Farid left a large portion of unsharpened metal and the edge starts about 1.25&quot; in front of where the forefinger would be on the knife when it&#039;s gripped. I wonder if he built his K2 that way to intentionally decrease leverage. Even ignoring that, the pitted (whatever it&#039;s called) blade finish is extremely unappealing. Spyderco&#039;s satin finish is much more attractive. <br />
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The Spyderco version looks &quot;cleaner&quot;, has a better ricasso, and what appears to be much less distance between forefinger and blade edge. I just can&#039;t get over that huge distance and blocky ricasso on the original. Terrible.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>fanglekai</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 01:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35294#msg-35294</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Ankerson</strong><br /><blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Chum</strong><br />I work at a plant nursery, and everything I cut is dirty. Dirty cardboard, dirty plastic planters, dirty twine... and sometimes just dirt itself when cutting into roots.<br />
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Would CPM10V be a good steel choice for this kind of work, or would I be better off using something with less wear resistance like VG10, or perhaps something softer still like H1? My old Delica in G2 doesn&#039;t chip very much at the edge from this kind of cutting, but it does dull fairly quickly.<br />
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If I&#039;m to get a new Spyderco for this type of cutting would I be better of with something like 10V, H1 or something in between in terms of wear resistance?</div></blockquote>
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I recommend getting something cheap and keeping a ceramic rod around to sharpen with....<br />
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Something like an Opinel or the Spyderco Bird Line...</div></blockquote>
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Gurl, that&#039;s throwing shade right there.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Bugout Bill</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 00:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35286#msg-35286</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ That would be a point to start. <br />
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I asked in the thread, I doubt the response will be enlightening, however I still have to ask.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35284#msg-35284</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I have cut a lot of Kevlar, when I made vests...<br />
What he called thick Kevlar, was not...<br />
<br />
At the risk of sounding self centred, Gary has about 5 Serratas I made for him, and he could have done a quick comparison...<br />
I will ask him via email?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Stuart Ackerman</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35282#msg-35282</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I have not done Kevlar cutting, aside from that :<br />
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-no reference blade<br />
-no control for measurement bias<br />
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There is nothing in that that stands out to me as being significant in terms of performance.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35281#msg-35281</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ He has just done a bunch of cutting tests in Spyderco forums...<br />
Thoughts, anyone?<br />
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[<a href="http://www.spyderco.com/forumII/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=64871&amp;start=140"  rel="nofollow">www.spyderco.com</a>]]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Stuart Ackerman</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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            <title>Re: Spyderco K2 Farid</title>
            <link>https://oldforum.beyondt01micron.com/read.php?20,34879,35211#msg-35211</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><div><small>Quote<br /></small><strong>Eee</strong><br />
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It was very embarrassing when it became obvious that Farid was saying he&#039; could&#039; as in &#039;had the option to&#039; but had no intention of doing so.  Farid had done nothing wrong, neither had the knifemaker - one message had been transmitted and another had been received.</div></blockquote>
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Yes, that is an example of what I am talking about in a very subtle manner which can happen even in both native English speakers. <br />
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As an aside, the thread to me is another curious example of how people can not see the obvious bias in that they will argue you should not criticize the knife until you have used it or even question the design - but praise is not only accepted it is encouraged. How it is not immediately obvious that leads to hype and misinformation as there is no method of self-correction?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>CliffStamp</dc:creator>
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            <pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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